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| May 29, 2020 at 11:55 | comment | added | Stian | From your first source: "However, in the case of normal subjects, who are unaffected by these pathological conditions, the association between sleep hygiene and sleep itself is surprisingly inconsistent". I wouldn't neccesarily go so far as to say it is unhealthy to have an irregular sleep pattern based on that source. I have yet to see a study where non-imposed irregular sleep patterns (i.e excluding working irregular or non-daytime shifts) in otherwise healthy adults is in any way negative to health. | |
| May 28, 2020 at 6:53 | comment | added | Rob P. | @Upper_Case - Right, but I'm not trying to claim that the world would accommodate such a schedule...I just don't see how the studies listed support the advice in either this answer, or your comment. I absolutely do not mean to imply that you aren't 100% correct, only to question whether or not the studies are relevant. The first one only finds a correlation between irregular bedtimes and short daily sleep times (and even mentions requiring students to wake up earlier may be a contributing factor to both). | |
| May 27, 2020 at 21:37 | comment | added | Upper_Case | @RobP. Except that the world, broadly, won't necessarily accommodate such a schedule. High school courses, for example, generally won't fit with getting up around noon. Some people can shift their ~8 hour block of sleep time around without much trouble; many cannot. There may not be consequences right now for changing her sleep schedule off-cycle from the bulk of the world's "normal" hours, but when she goes back to school and needs to fit those "normal" hours the transition can be very difficult and have consequences while underway. | |
| May 27, 2020 at 20:14 | comment | added | Rob P. | Do these studies actually support OP's desire for an earlier bedtime though? They seem to support the benefits of a consistent sleep schedule, and the importance of getting sufficient sleep....but if the daughter wanted to go to bed at 3am and sleep until 11am each day, it seems like that would be just fine, provided she was able to sleep without interruption. | |
| May 27, 2020 at 15:30 | comment | added | Azor Ahai -him- | Honestly, I wish my parents had done better at teaching me the importance of sleep. | |
| May 27, 2020 at 14:23 | comment | added | Kevin | @NotThatGuy No, I'm not suggesting that kids don't have to follow the rules, but the rules should be justified and not arbitrary. If a rule only exists "because I say so" then the kid is (justifiably) going to think the rule is stupid. If you instead present the rule with solid reasoning then even if the kid doesn't like it, they will understand it. Making them go to bed at 10pm every day because it's "my house, my rules" will just leave them resentful. But if you justify it with good reasoning (health, family participation, etc.) then they won't think you're just being arbitrary | |
| May 27, 2020 at 9:55 | comment | added | Chronocidal | @user371366 SomeShinkyObject never suggested that "my house, my rules" was a justification (i.e. an argument for the rules being "right" or "reasonable"). On the other hand, most households aren't democracies, so why does the parent need to justify themselves? While pushing back against injustice, rather than just accepting it, is important, so too are learning discipline and obedience - that you can't just ignore rules because you don't want them to apply to you, or can't see why they should apply to you. Because, otherwise, that's how you get a society of entitled criminal brats | |
| May 27, 2020 at 7:45 | comment | added | NotThatGuy | @KevinWells Are you suggesting children only need to follow rules they agree with? Justifying your rules is great, and some back-and-forth discussion or the occasional compromise can make for a healthy parent-child relationship. But ultimately "because I say so" underlines every rule and it (in some form) is the only fallback argument if they cannot be convinced to follow the rule using "proper" arguments. | |
| May 27, 2020 at 0:59 | comment | added | Mazura | That would be a sleep schedule bereft of the norms of "broader society" unless they plan on working third shift for the rest of their lives. "my house, my rules" is feel free to emancipate yourself or move out when you're 18... yeah, didn't think so. | |
| May 26, 2020 at 23:07 | comment | added | SomeShinyObject | @KevinWells 8am-4pm every day wouldn't be waking up late. That'd be waking up on a schedule. | |
| May 26, 2020 at 22:23 | comment | added | DKNguyen | @KevinWells One thing I should note, is that at least for me, as I got older there was a point where if I go to sleep too late, I cannot continuously sleep long enough to collect sufficient hours. That's the real health problem and not really the actual time. It never used to be a problem when I was younger (like say, below 20). Back then I could sleep whenever and would always wake up 8 hours later. If I did that now, it would require naps throughout the day to make up the 8. | |
| May 26, 2020 at 20:00 | comment | added | Kevin | Yeah, "my house, my rules" isn't a reason, it's just using your authority as a parent to bend to your will without justification. Also, while it is true that irregular sleep schedules have negative consequences, it is also extremely common for young adults to have atypical sleep patterns. Finally, waking up late doesn't necessarily entail irregular sleep patterns, they could consistently go to sleep at 8 am and wake up at 4pm and be getting a normal 8 hours of sleep consistently every day. | |
| May 26, 2020 at 18:05 | comment | added | user371366 | -1 for claiming that "my house, my rules" is a valid justification for anything. | |
| May 26, 2020 at 17:41 | comment | added | Douglas | Supporting anecdote: I have suffered from insomnia for decades. I've relied on prescription sleep aids for years, and still took 30-90 minutes or more to get to sleep each night. I recently started a behavioral therapy treatment, and now I consistently get to sleep in under 20 minutes without sleep aids. A consistent sleep schedule, the same one for both weekdays and weekends, is one of the most heavily emphasized parts of the program. | |
| May 26, 2020 at 4:24 | history | answered | SomeShinyObject | CC BY-SA 4.0 |