Timeline for My 16 year old daughter got a speeding ticket
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| Oct 9, 2018 at 18:14 | comment | added | magu_ | +1 For the breaking course (breaking on ice/breaking while line changing/recover from spin/...). I voluntarily did one myself after getting my license and I found it way more useful than any defensive driving course which are mandatory in my country. | |
| Sep 9, 2017 at 19:45 | comment | added | BartoszKP | Additionally, it's very good to do a simple math and show how much time does one "save" by speeding - usually the result is surprising and it's just single minutes - it's worth pondering, whether being home 3 minutes earlier is worth endangering your own and other people's lives. | |
| Sep 9, 2017 at 9:43 | comment | added | Gusdor | Legally, in the UK, a dog in the road is the responsibility of the owner. Hitting a dog, even while speeding, carries no legal responsibility on the part of the driver. The owner of the dog is responsible for all damage caused by their failure to control the animal. Children on the other hand. That is where the focus should be placed. | |
| Sep 6, 2017 at 22:29 | comment | added | RayLuo | @cheshire Thanks for seconding my comment above about "the think-about-the-why is a turning point to my mindset". Just want to be clear. To me, that think-about-the-why is the major take-away. Because it can be applied to not just this speeding topic. I mean, as a rebellious child (in his/her 4 or 5 years old, and later in his/her teenage), or as an adult with a rebellious heart, it might be reluctant to "do so just because I'm told to", but it can be easier to obey when "do so because I understand the why behind the rule, and then I choose to follow it for my own sake". That's my epiphany. | |
| Sep 6, 2017 at 20:46 | comment | added | G. Ann - SonarSource Team | As a teenager my speeding was more egregious when I was running late. The day I nearly hit a school bus made me adjust my practices. A discussion of consequences of speeding (terrible accident) vs consequences of not speeding (being late, a drive taking longer than desired, ...) might help. | |
| Sep 6, 2017 at 18:34 | comment | added | cheshire | @RayLuo I had this epiphany while driving to a friend's house. These two young boys would always be playing out front and twice my friend almost hit them...very close calls both times...so I made a note to always go slow on that section of the street, just in case. Then it hit me, this can happen on any street so why don't I have that mindset all time driving in residential neighborhoods. I'm still working on slowing down on highways but I've really been able to naturally adjust my driving in these slower areas. | |
| Sep 6, 2017 at 18:21 | comment | added | RayLuo | Thanks for this answer. Me as an adult, obeying speed limits most of the time (ahem) but not wholeheartedly, learn something from it. Yes, the "think about the why" is a turning point to my mindset. Thanks again. | |
| Sep 6, 2017 at 13:43 | comment | added | JimmyJames | This is a good answer but I'm slightly disturbed that hitting a kid is just a legal matter and hitting a dog is going to upset her. You hit a kid at that rate, the child is almost guaranteed to die. If you hit a healthy adult at 30 MPH or over there's a very good chance of death. Killing someone will pretty well ruin your life. It cannot be undone. This is what she needs to understand. | |
| Sep 5, 2017 at 23:28 | comment | added | Pharap | @Mark I wish that beach ball thing was posted as an answer, that's a really good idea. Proof beyond all doubt that a person's reactions are not what they claim to be. | |
| Sep 5, 2017 at 19:39 | comment | added | Carl Witthoft | Nearly all the comments and answers so far fail to comprehend that the teenage brain is not fully developed, and while it's important to drive safely, cause/effect, especially with respect to unrelated punishment, will do nothing whatsoever. Let's stick with science here, not with "what my parents did to me" | |
| Sep 4, 2017 at 15:23 | comment | added | Qsigma | @RalphBolton please post this public service announcement as an answer (btw I think this ad was also shown in movie theatres) | |
| Sep 4, 2017 at 15:22 | comment | added | Qsigma | @Mark please post your experience as an answer | |
| Sep 4, 2017 at 14:28 | comment | added | Ralph Bolton | There was a TV advert over here spoken by a small girl - "if you hit me at 40mph there's an 80 per cent chance I'll die. If hit at 30mph there's an 80 per cent chance I'll live." - that one stuck in my head: youtube.com/watch?v=HeUX6LABCEA | |
| Sep 4, 2017 at 11:43 | comment | added | Weckar E. | It's sad, but the "chasing after a ball" example has become so ubiquitous that many new drivers look for the ball, not the child. If they are playing something else, the children will often be missed. | |
| Sep 4, 2017 at 9:41 | comment | added | kap | This is a good answer, and I would like to highlight the last sentence: at the beginning, one has no experience in driving and all knowledge is just theory. The math behind braking is not easy to understand for a human mind (in practice). Also, it is really difficult to break strongly! You should go with your daughter to courses to try that out! Most drivers are afraid of hitting the brake hard enough, and you need to continue to push even harder because they loose pressure during the event of braking. With break-assistance you don't even ruin the wheels any more ;-) | |
| Sep 3, 2017 at 3:20 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | And yes, I was also taught that people can easily fail to brake fully if they don't specifically make an effort to stomp on the pedal. I don't like having my seat too far back, because I like to feel that I could easily floor the pedal if needed. | |
| Sep 3, 2017 at 3:18 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | @MartinUeding: In conditions other than snow or loose gravel, the temporary decreases in braking force are a net win, and decreases stopping distance over a full skid or vs. what most skilled drivers could do without ABS (as well as keeping steering control). Static friction (non-sliding) is higher than kinetic friction for the tire contact-patches. | |
| Sep 2, 2017 at 8:38 | comment | added | Martin Ueding | @Mehrdad: I did exactly mean that people do not brake hard enough in critical situations. That's why they taught us that in the driving safety course. You only brake hard enough if you are deep in the ABS stutter. And sure, ABS prevent you from breaking too hard, since it temporarily releases the brakes until the wheel rotates again. Since the brake force is amplified, it just lessens the amplification factor a bit. | |
| Sep 1, 2017 at 21:19 | comment | added | user541686 | @MartinUeding: Actually one of the cars I drive doesn't have ABS (and it's actually less than 2 decades old), but yes, I've definitely braked a few times such that they've actually activated the ABS stutter, and I agree that I wasn't slamming the brakes that hard even then. What I thought you were saying was that people just don't brake has hard as possible even in life-threatening situations which I found plausible but surprising. If what you're saying is that ABS prevents you from braking too hard, yeah I didn't really know that either, but it's far less surprising. :) | |
| Sep 1, 2017 at 20:55 | comment | added | Martin Ueding | @Mehrdad: I searched but could not find anything relevant. I presume your car has anti-locking brakes, they are standard for decades, I believe. What you can try is to do a full stop at like 30 km/h (20 mph). You only start braking hard enough when you can feel a stuttering in the brake pedal. Otherwise you are not at the physical limit of the tires on the road. I did an ADAC safety training, and it took me like three runs until I got sufficient force until all four wheels started doing the typical ABS stutter. Doing it on a wet road will be a bit easier on the tires. | |
| Sep 1, 2017 at 14:23 | comment | added | cheshire | @MisterPositive I appreciate the kind words. I really hope you can instill good driving habits in your daughter, they are tough to break once they've become routine. Constantly asking her why do you think it is this way and that while driving will help her continue to think like that and understand her responsibilities driving. It also helps her think ahead and plan for the unexpected. My dad would ask random scenario questions and how I would react if it were to happen right now. I still do this, it's a bit of a twisted game but keeps me constantly alert on the road. | |
| Sep 1, 2017 at 11:56 | comment | added | user29389 | If I had reputation to spare, I would award some to this answer. It is engaging, not condescending, and solid. Well done. | |
| Sep 1, 2017 at 10:50 | comment | added | Kaithar | I have a very simple principle: If a rule says not to do something, follow that rule until you completely understand why the rule exists and the full consequences of breaking the rule. In this case that means don't break the speed limit until you can handle everything that could go wrong at that speed heh. | |
| Sep 1, 2017 at 8:50 | comment | added | Loufylouf | Let her do the math, she's 16, she can do it. Probability of death in case of an accident, by car sped : gizmodo.com.au/2016/05/… . Then, how much is she gonna travel by starting to brake, considering 0.5s reaction time (very very fast) to 1.5s. Then go demonstrate (or let her estimate) how much are those distances in a street. | |
| Sep 1, 2017 at 4:47 | comment | added | Spehro 'speff' Pefhany | @Mark nice idea, but better make sure nobody is driving close behind! | |
| Sep 1, 2017 at 3:09 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | It's too bad the rules of the road are so overly conservative so much of the time. (e.g. intersections set up to handle high traffic at rush hour that just slow you down late in the evening with no other traffic because their traffic lights still make you stop. Or no-left-turn signs that you still have to follow even when there's nobody coming an any other direction.) Some traffic laws make obvious sense (like residential speed limits), but other cases they're designed to be easy to enforce, or simple for people to follow without paying attention (has its merits but is very frustrating). | |
| Sep 1, 2017 at 1:41 | comment | added | Wildcard | @Tiercelet, no. Don't lie to your daughter. (I wonder if your story is even true, or if it happened to someone else in actual fact?) There are enough true cautionary tales you don't have to make them up. | |
| Aug 31, 2017 at 21:06 | comment | added | Tiercelet | Funny you mention the neighbor's dog--one of my first lessons in non-aggressive driving was coming home from high school when I did actually hit a dog let off leash that ran out between cars. Fortunately it was a nice Friday afternoon and I was driving nice and relaxed up the hill, maybe 15 mph. Dog was fine, just a little shaken up. If I'd been speeding, it'd have been dead. (Feel free to tell your daughter this happened to you...) | |
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| Aug 31, 2017 at 14:26 | comment | added | Toby Speight | 20 mph limit doesn't necessarily mean there's an immediate localised hazard - some highway authorities are very keen on blanket 20mph limits, notably Edinburgh in my region. I can't say that such limits increase respect for the law, but it's happening anyway. | |
| Aug 31, 2017 at 13:46 | comment | added | Peter - Reinstate Monica | The conversation could include that cars, although ubiquitous, are the most dangerous machines routinely used by the majority of people. Any mistake is potentially fatal; that is pretty unique these days. (Future generations will look back in disbelief to this time when any adult could drive by themselves, unsupervised, with no fallback safety catch whatsoever with absolute freedom to go anywhere, together with thousands of others in crowded cities and on high-speed highways.) The government officially acknowledges that driving is unusually dangerous and demands a mandatory insurance. | |
| Aug 31, 2017 at 10:47 | comment | added | user29389 | @Mark Genius Idea | |
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| Aug 31, 2017 at 10:25 | comment | added | gerrit | @AndrewLeach If it's no, then the driving test system is broken. | |
| Aug 31, 2017 at 7:26 | comment | added | martin | No need to be gentle in the discussion about hypothetically hitting the neighbor's dog. If she can't handle that conversation, she really won't be able to handle the conversation after she actually hits the neighbor's dog. Coincidentally, a few years back, my neighbor was speeding past our house and hit our family dog. The dog lived, but was in bad shape for a few months. So yeah, these things really do happen, and you should be prepared to deal with the consequences of your actions. | |
| Aug 31, 2017 at 7:06 | comment | added | user541686 | @MartinUeding: Wasn't aware of that, if you have a link to any of those videos that'd be great, thanks for letting me know :) and I just realized I used the wrong "brake"... | |
| Aug 31, 2017 at 7:03 | comment | added | Martin Ueding | @Mehrdad: The anti-locking brakes will limit the force that you can apply anyway, so I doubt that there is any danger in damaging brakes. Also most people don't brake with full force, this can be seen in those driving safety courses. | |
| Aug 31, 2017 at 5:51 | comment | added | user541686 | @Mark: Did you break as hard as you could? I feel like nothing short of a human appearing in front of me will make me break as hard as I would in such a situation, because, well, I wouldn't want to destroy the breaks (or other things) in the car unnecessarily. | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 22:39 | comment | added | Mark | @AndrewLeach, my dad demonstrated it: he found a quiet street with a large number of cars parked along the side, hid behind one of the cars, and had me drive down the street. When I got near him, he'd toss a beach ball out in front of me. I hit that ball every single time. | |
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| Aug 30, 2017 at 21:12 | comment | added | cheshire | @AndrewLeach I was going to add in a bit about that but wanted to keep it more concise. I suggested a driving course for this reason as they should address it. The one I took specifically had a slam on the breaks and see how far you travel station and it really helped emphasize that even if you react immediately, at that speed you travel far beyond what you'd think. | |
| Aug 30, 2017 at 20:56 | comment | added | Andrew Leach | "Guarantee her answer is 'No'" -- what if it's not "No"? What if it's "I'm young, I have fast reactions and the car has good brakes"? | |
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