Context/background: My 6 month old usually wakes around 7.30 to 8am in the morning. He then has a morning feed and plays till around 9 to 9.30 before his morning bath, and then has a short morning nap which usually lasts around 30-45 mins. He then has about 2.5 scoops of cereal, mixed with milk (instead of water), and has some time to play before his afternoon nap. Sometimes this nap is short, after which he'll take a longer 2nd afternoon nap, or if it's long, then his 2nd afternoon nap is usually shorter. We then have him take about 2-3 scoops of milk cereal mixed with milk for his "dinner", then his evening bath before he's supposed to go out for the night.

This is usually where it goes awry. We can spend anywhere from 30 mins to 2 hours to get him to go to sleep, usually by rocking/cuddling to sleep. This means that he goes to sleep anywhere between 7.30 to 9-ish pm. Regardless of what time he falls asleep, he will always awaken magically between 11 and 11.30pm, and will refuse food, and be very difficult to put to sleep again, usually resulting in me and my wife getting to sleep only around 1 to 2am every night.

This has gone on for the last 2 weeks, and is burning us out. We suspect his newly emerging teeth is affecting this as well. Any help is appreciated.

  • you say he refuses “food”...do you mean solid food? Will he take a bottle? My daughter did this kind of thing for a while and I found if I woke her on purpose just before the usual time and changed & breastfed her she’d either go back to sleep or at least play quietly for a while.
    – Jax
    Commented Feb 17, 2020 at 2:37
  • Also, When he wakes, hows his diaper? Wet? Dirty (poop)? To this day, at age 3, my daughter still won’t sleep if she has to poop, which is very often what she was “working on” those nights when she didn’t go back to sleep and was keeping us up till 1am.
    – Jax
    Commented Feb 17, 2020 at 2:40
  • Refuses a bottle. We currently only feed solids around lunch, and dinner time. Diaper is usually dry or just a little wet. The main thing that frustrates is the fact that he's visibly tired, but just will not want to settle down and sleep, not the actual waking up in itself, since if he could go back to sleep after, it wouldn't be a pain.
    – Eugene Ho
    Commented Feb 18, 2020 at 0:19

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Teething may well be the issue. And when it isn't, you'll surely be able to come up with another explanation that is equally reasonable. One of few things that are certain about life with infants is that it's ever changing. Whatever is terrible now is going to look different usually around when you're about to accept it. That realisation has offered us some comfort in the past.

I am of the sometimes unpopular opinion that disturbed sleep is normal, and unless completely out of hand, not something that calls for drastic interventions.

To me it sounds like you're being there for your baby during its distress, which I'd say is all that can be asked of you, so now all you need is coping mechanisms. Here are some things I've found helpful:

  • Realize that it's a passing phase
  • If you're two parents, take turns, so that one parent can get a decent amount of sleep. Whether it's every other night or every half night comes down to what works for you. If you're alone or the two of you are insufficient, enlist help of friends and family.
  • If this is your only child, there's a special life hack called sleep when your child is sleeping.

You could explore the option of managing the child's daytime sleep. I think six months sounds a bit young to deliberately wake up from naps, but perhaps you can influence the onset of the last daytime nap, and experiment with what that does for the duration of sleep and the evening mood.

  • You're right in that there's so many possibilities, but it's the fact that he jolts awake magically at that time which is what affects us the most, since it's been 2 weeks and has no signs of going away. Unfortunately, we're both working adults, and we live in a small house with our in laws which sees us sleeping in the same room with the child, which means if he's crying away, neither will get any sleep.
    – Eugene Ho
    Commented Feb 16, 2020 at 6:31
  • @Eugene: in laws are exactly the kind of people I was thinking you might enlist for help, if you're getting too little sleep. I was thinking along the lines of them caring for the baby some of the nights he's awake, but that they should at least put up with a crying baby is an even lesser ask. So I wouldn't let a crying kid keep the both of you awake at night; if the kid cries, I suggest one of you pick him up and comfort him in another room, even if at the nuisance of your in laws.
    – user36162
    Commented Feb 16, 2020 at 19:03
  • “Disturbed sleep is normal”- no truer words have been spoken. I am of the opinion it is more normal for kids NOT to sleep with any regularity, and without a ton of help, until age 2-4 YEARS. Who ARE these kids that sleep thru the night?? Not mine! Lol. Interestingly, I have a teenager, and he keeps me up as much as my 3 year old, but for totally different reasons (late night food acquisition being the most prominent).
    – Jax
    Commented Feb 17, 2020 at 2:46
  • They definitely won't mind helping, but since they already take care of him from around 8am to 7pm (which is when we're both out for work), we want them to rest too, since they're getting older and not getting enough sleep is bad for their health. The other worry is that if it is that difficult for us to put him to sleep, no idea if they would be even able to put him to sleep which might lead to a very distressed infant.
    – Eugene Ho
    Commented Feb 18, 2020 at 0:24

Firstly, every child is different, so it's very difficult to adopt a "one solution fits all" You will also find a marked difference between cultures, and little evidence that one is superior over another.

Personally, I think it is important to distinguish between "restlessness" and actual distress. Children should be taught, over time, to overcome restlessness by settling. This I think is Ferber's method?

If you believe your child is "magically" awaking at a certain time, you should consider what may be causing this Could it be that at this time you are in bed, so the house is dark and quiet? Such that when the child momentarily awakens, they notice the difference and are jolted awake? You could try leaving on nightligt somewhere and a low volume music


TL;DR: You may be right about the negative effects of the newly emerging teeth. However, there can be also a more powerful effect of incorrect sleep associations. I recommend putting the child to sleep at the same time, alone, and leaving the child before he is asleep, so that he learns to self-soothe to sleep (Ferber, 2006).

We can spend anywhere from 30 mins to 2 hours to get him to go to sleep, usually by rocking/cuddling to sleep.

After the predictable routine is done (bath, brushing, reading, etc), do not stay more than a few minutes in the child's bedroom. Hug and kiss your child goodnight, and leave. Do not rock or cuddle him to sleep.

Here is what Ferber (2006) recommends:

"2. Put your child into the crib or bed awake, in the place you want him to be sleeping for the night. Let him fall asleep under the same circumstances that will be present when he wakes normally during the night (in his crib or bed, not being held or rocked). Let him fall back asleep the same way after nighttime wakings." (p. 154)

"10. If your child sleeps in a crib in your room, you should put him into the crib at bedtime and then either speak to him briefly at the scheduled intervals from your bed, or—if your presence in the room is too stimulating, or if you prefer it—leave the room and come back in to check him at those intervals, as you would if he were in his own bedroom. (If he learns to fall asleep with you out of the room, you will have more freedom in the evening. You can accomplish the same thing even if you stay in the room as long as he doesn’t know you’re there—for example, if he can’t see you from his crib, or if it is fairly dark and you are quiet.) When he wakes at night, do the same.
11. If your child sleeps in his own bed in your room, use the same approach [...]
12. If your child sleeps in your bed, you may be able to lie still and withhold your responses to him for the appropriate intervals. If that isn’t possible, you may have to get out of bed and check from a chair in the room. You may even have to leave and check from outside the room [...]"
(pp. 159-161)

This means that he goes to sleep anywhere between 7.30 to 9-ish pm.

Make the routine more predictable, and bedtime repeatable to within 15-20 minutes at this age.

Regardless of what time he falls asleep, he will always awaken magically between 11 and 11.30pm, and will refuse food, and be very difficult to put to sleep again, usually resulting in me and my wife getting to sleep only around 1 to 2am every night.

The child should learn to self-soothe, which typically takes between a few days and a week.

This may not be relevant to sleep, but since you give your child the evening bath, you might consider skipping the morning bath. That is, unless the child or you like this ritual, or unless a typical diaper change is not enough for some cases or "accidents". Typically, children at this age have one bath per day.


Q: Is Ferber's method the same as "crying it out", or "ignoring a child's cries until it learns not to bother with crying" (as a commenter mentions)?
A: No. It involves responding to the child at gradually increasing intervals. This method has been studied and used for decades.

Q: Is Ferber's method safe and effective? Has it been studied?
A: Yes and yes. As Oster (2019) concludes (also see references therein):

- There is evidence that using these methods improves outcomes for parents, including less depression and better general mental health.
- There is no evidence of long- or short-term harm to infants; if anything, there may be some evidence of short-term benefits.
- There is evidence of success for a wide variety of specific methods, and little to distinguish between them.
-- The most important thing is consistency: choose a method you can stick with, and stick with it.
(p. 243)

Q: I heard that the Ferber method is hotly debated. Is this true?
A: I have not been able to find any scientific references about the hot debate based on research on the actual short- or long-term behavioral outcomes. Theoretically, humans have not used Ferber's method for most of the evolution. But then, humans also have not used modern sanitation, clean water, antibiotics and vaccines for most of the evolution, and these things have long ago stopped being a topic of hot debate in science.
Here is what one of the many examples of studies say about similar sleep methods: "CONCLUSIONS: Behavioral sleep techniques have no marked long-lasting effects (positive or negative). Parents and health professionals can confidently use these techniques to reduce the short- to medium-term burden of infant sleep problems and maternal depression." (Price et al, 2012)

Q: What is the minimum child age for Ferber method?
A: I could not find a research-based answer quickly. From personal experience, it is about 4-6 months, when the children stopped requiring the feeding in the middle of the night (e.g., when they were capable to sleep through the night without requiring an adult based on feeding).

Q: How important is teaching the child to self-soothe? Is this something he can eventually learn as he grows older?
A: Most children learn to self-soothe as they grow older. From personal experience, I have not seen that it is very important for the child to learn this skill as early as 6 months, and specifically using Ferber's method. We decided to use it because it is safe and effective, not because it was critically important to the child.


Ferber, Richard. (2006) "Solve Your Child's Sleep Problems: New, Revised, and Expanded Edition" New York, NY: Fireside: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0743201639/

Emily Oster. (2019) "Cribsheet: A Data-Driven Guide to Better, More Relaxed Parenting, From Birth to Preschool." New York, NY: Penguin Press: https://www.amazon.com/Cribsheet-Data-Driven-Relaxed-Parenting-Preschool/dp/0525559256

Anna M.H. Price, Melissa Wake, Obioha C. Ukoumunne, Harriet Hiscock. Five-Year Follow-up of Harms and Benefits of Behavioral Infant Sleep Intervention: Randomized Trial. Pediatrics Oct 2012, 130 (4) 643-651; DOI: 10.1542/peds.2011-3467 : https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/4/643.long



  • I must say I find the idea of a half year old child learning that no one will come when it's distressed feels even worse than the week or so when it still has its hope up and is crying for consolation. I don't contest that this might be effective for managing sleep, but at what cost?
    – user36162
    Commented Feb 15, 2020 at 22:12
  • I am not aware that it has been studied. For all that I've read, it seems that evidence of efficacy is sufficient, which we'd never accept with, say, a sleep drug. In my book, saying that ignoring a child's cries until it learns not to bother with crying has no long term effect is an extraordinary claim, and the burden of proof should be on proving safety.
    – user36162
    Commented Feb 15, 2020 at 22:33
  • No I'm reading (and responding to) your post.
    – user36162
    Commented Feb 15, 2020 at 22:44
  • Unfortunately, small shared house with no extra space for the child to sleep alone, so he co-sleeps with us. How important is teaching the child to self-soothe? Is this something he can eventually learn as he grows older? Can't skip the morning bath unfortunately since he always perspires quite a bit at night,no matter how cool it is.
    – Eugene Ho
    Commented Feb 16, 2020 at 6:16
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    @EugeneHo The Ferber method is hotly debated - and while I haven’t followed the current scientific studies (my kids are older), I have seen cases where kids simply need more parental attention or struggle to wind down for lots of reasons. For our eldest, it was the way he was „wired“, his brain chemistry is non-average. I would say all children eventually learn to self-soothe. Please also remember that Ferber originally developed his methods for children that were 12 months old and had a previous history of sleep issues (that also affected the family in general), not a one-fits-all method.
    – Stephie
    Commented Feb 16, 2020 at 8:27

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