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comment How do I get my 6-month-old to sleep better at night?
So do tell: what basis do you have for indicating that this is "extreme" and "rare"? My statement comes from all the online research I did, as well as interactions with a paid sleep consultant, as well as our own personal experience. Just to reiterate my original statement: I couldn't stand to do it with my child. I don't judge what anyone else does to try to get their kids to sleep, but I do know that actual people practicing CIO and Ferber sometimes end up with kids that cry until they gag. Maybe you're just a better parent (or you kid is a better kid) than all the others.
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comment How do I get my 6-month-old to sleep better at night?
4. I agree that my last few sentences do seem to imply that Cry-it-out, in general, can lead to extreme crying/vomiting/gagging. However, neither you nor I can definitely say that whether this is the exception or the rule. I do know that I have read online comments from many parents who've read the Ferber book and are Ferberizing, and their kids gag (sometimes severely) while crying. We hired a sleep consultant who had been teaching Ferber for many years, and she cautioned us that gagging and sometimes vomiting may occur, but that we needed to be strong and wait out the timer.
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comment How do I get my 6-month-old to sleep better at night?
3. You seem to be selectively nitpicking what to be offended at. In my very first sentence, I say "Ferberizing or any Cry-it-out variant", thereby explicitly distinguishing the two. Whether you like it or not, there is a huge number of people who use this term. I've seen plenty in my Googling about parenting. Heck, Jeff Atwood, in the second-highest rated response above, used the term, and in a positive manner. (I see you "corrected" him too. Did you downvote him as well?) How many non-negative uses of "CIO" will it take before you begin to understand that that your pedantry is pointless?
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comment How do I get my 6-month-old to sleep better at night?
2. I did not edit the quote in a deliberate effort to take it out of context; StackExchange limits the number of characters I can put in a comment, and I couldn't include the whole thing so I just included the most salient portions. This is why I provided a link to the source. If I were trying to mislead, would I have done that? Also, the fact that the pediatrician rationalizes away the gagging does not change the fact that the baby is gagging.
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comment How do I get my 6-month-old to sleep better at night?
1. You may chose to apply the "No True Scotsman" approach towards folks who use terminology you disagree with, but a huge number of people use the term "cry-it-out", and without disparaging overtones. Call them idiots, call them amateurs at parenting and novices at Feberizing, do what you need to do to make yourself feel an expert on the subject, but the fact of the matter is that not everyone who uses the term CIO is a detractor.
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comment How do I get my 6-month-old to sleep better at night?
Here is a parent's description of their attempt to Ferberize, from the Berkeley Parents Network (parents.berkeley.edu/advice/sleep/cry.html): "The crying was horrible... My husband and I sat on the stairs with clock in hand, ready to time the intervals before going in to soothe her... On the third and fourth nights, our baby vomited. This was extremely traumatic for us. We spoke to our pediatrician who said that this happens sometimes, but that if we ever wanted to sleep again, we needed to follow through." This is some of the motivation behind my comment.
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comment How do I get my 6-month-old to sleep better at night?
If you think I'm exaggerating, just google for "cry it out gag vomit": google.com/…
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comment How do I get my 6-month-old to sleep better at night?
If you read the varied descriptions of Cry It Out on the web, you will find people describing both the new Ferber method (which you describe) as well as the "leave them until morning, regardless of what happens". Yes, people actually do the latter, and advocate that approach to others. It is clear to anyone who does some searching on this stuff that there is a spectrum of crying options. My final paragraph, mostly a parenthetical after the actual substance of my response, was addressed to that one end of the spectrum.
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