Our 3.5 yo is starting to talk back to us in the typical futile yes/no/yes/no pattern of opposites. The other day it was hooking his straps on his car seat; I asked him to put his arms in (like we always do) and he said "no, arms out." no amount of reasoned conversation could change his mind, and everything you said resulted in a stronger repetition of "NO. OUT!" by the fourth iteration he was in total meltdown/tantrum mode... a wild 180 degree swing from the happy sunny disposition he had been in for the previous couple hours.

Some other pairs:

  • "here's your snack, go sit at your chair at the table and eat it." ... "I go sit on soo-fah." (I don't even know where he learned "sofa", we call it a "couch". And we never eat anywhere near the couch, always at the table.)
  • "ok, pick which book you want daddy to read to you." (at bed time, standard ritual.) ... "no, mommy reads."
  • "put your coat on so we can go outside." ... "no, take OFF."

Now here's the rub. Several of these are just verbal... he's not following through with what he's saying, he's doing what we asked. (the eating at the table/sofa one is an exception... he did carry his snack over to the couch area.) For example, with the car seat one... as he's saying "No, arms OUT!" he's actively slipping the seat harness over his shoulder to put it on.

The part of this that really kills me is that we've recently learned he was being bullied at day care, some of the bigger kids knew he wouldn't fight back and wouldn't tattle, so when the teachers were distracted they were bossing him around and telling him he couldn't do this or that, whatever he was doing at the time. We've started to work on teaching him to stand up for himself in these situations and I really don't want to undermine that... but he seriously works himself up into a massive meltdown with these and I really want to bring a stop to them.

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Without...what? – Lennart Regebro Mar 30 '11 at 8:20
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bah, without getting distracted in the middle of trying to write a co-herent sentence. :) Editing.... – cabbey Mar 30 '11 at 8:34
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First of all -- now that you know the bullying is going on it should be eliminated, period. Most 3.5yo kids don't yet have the nuance to understand the difference between standing up for oneself and being mean. That's what grown-ups (and martial arts lessons, later on) are for. If the day care center is letting it go on, choose another one. That's a serious screw-up.

As for the backtalk, it's a thing kids do to try to gain power in a situation. I diffuse it pretty quickly with the following technique:

I am fine with my son stating a specific objection to something. For example, "no, I won't eat at the table" is not okay, but "Can't we eat outside, it's the first nice day this week!" is okay. If he tries the former, non-specific version, I just say "that's not a reason" and ignore further pleas unless they are specific. This is a building block of being able to hold his own in a discussion, not to mention a good conflict-resolution skill. When he is specific, I'll give in (if his reason is good), offer a compromise, or explain why we can't/won't do it his way.

However, once I've said "that's enough" or "end of discussion", it's over, period. I say it once, and go on behaving as if there was no objection. If he doesn't do as he was told, he goes straight to time-out. I never respond to yes/no wars -- as Bugs Bunny has many times demonstrated, you can't win one of those.

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The day care center is shutting it down now that they know about it. The teachers there were absolutely CRUSHED when they learned it was happening behind their backs. The minute they heard the report that the school district speech teacher observed that as the explanation for him going completely quiet there (regressing on months of progress with his expressive language) but no where else, they immediately had a list of likely candidates for who did it and have already stepped up to put an end to it. – cabbey Mar 30 '11 at 8:41
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I like your technique, but I fear it requires a bit more expressive language than he has available to him. That said, I'm gunna try it next time... who knows, he could surprise me. :) Normally I try to tell him why I asked him to do something, which doesn't get anywhere, as his responses have devolved from the old pattern of "oooh, ok." into this. – cabbey Mar 30 '11 at 8:44
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If he lacks the expressive language, you can skip the "be specific in your objections" lesson for now and just make sure he understands when the discussion is over, and follow through on time-out when needed. It worked with my son when he was less verbal than that! – HedgeMage Mar 30 '11 at 8:51
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His receptive language is up to the task... I'm just going to ask "Why?" and stop and wait for an answer. :) – cabbey Mar 30 '11 at 8:53
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the plan of asking him "why?" almost always works to nip the problem in the bud. I"m going to mark this as the accepted answer because, well, it works for us! – cabbey Apr 10 '11 at 19:23
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Another thing you can do is stop whatever you're doing. For example, with the seat belt: Immediately switch to "then get out of the car, we're staying home."

Also, do you and your spouse do the "faux no" thing? e.g., he or she asks you to do something, you say "no" and do it anyway? I used to do that all the time, but had to stop because it was confusing the kids.

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somehow I think "then get out of the car, we're staying here at the mall." right after a session in the play place just wouldn't quite have the same impact. :) That's an interesting question about the faux no. The wife has a habit of doing that with other things... I put an awesome meal on the table and ask how it tastes and get "meh." with a grin about 30 seconds later as she's plowing through the plate. I need to think and observe if we're doing that. In either case it's a great thought. – cabbey Mar 30 '11 at 17:16
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